Can you sell fanfiction?

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Post # 1, written on 08/11/2010 | 11:30 a.m.
Heyho dear people! ^^

Since writing FFs means a lot to me, I wanted to ask if that was at all
is it allowed to earn money with FFs, or whether one is liable to prosecution?

Lovely wishes

fairy
Post # 2, written on 08/11/2010 | 11:45 a.m.
If you want to make money from other people's inventions, they are entitled to part of the profit - see films on books or translations - so you would need the author's permission to make money, and the proportions must be contractually regulated. However, you only get permission in the rarest of cases - for books on films and series, for example, even if they are mostly commissioned work.

Also, you should know that there are two golden rules about fanfiction culture:

1. Don't show what you write to the authors.
2. Don't make money on your stories.

Conclusion: leave it.
Post # 3, written on 08/11/2010 | 8:51 pm
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Exactly, better write something of your own. You should be more lucky with that.

It happens very, very rarely that someone is actually allowed to publish a FF as a book. I only know 1 or 2 cases where it worked.


Wanting to "make money" with FFs should really get you out of your head.
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Post # 4, written on August 16, 2010 | 10:10 a.m.
So do you mean that he or she is still able to write books? It's a bit nasty and doesn't answer her / his question.
My answer: As long as it is not stolen, it is not forbidden to make money with stories.
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Post # 5, written on August 16, 2010 | 10:15 am
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YoshiThe1
So do you mean that he or she is still able to write books? It's a bit nasty and doesn't answer her / his question.
My answer: As long as it is not stolen, it is not forbidden to make money with stories.


In the case of fanfiction, the right to characters and locations lies with the original author / publisher. This then falls under "intellectual theft", unless permission has been granted in writing / by contract and that is a criminal offense.
So: No, it is normally not possible to earn money with fanfiction.
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Article # 6, written on August 16, 2010 | 12:31 p.m.
YoshiThe1
So do you mean that he or she is still able to write books? It's a bit nasty and doesn't answer her / his question.
My answer: As long as it is not stolen, it is not forbidden to make money with stories.


Gaya Lupine is more likely to have meant that people are more likely to be killed by coconuts than that a publisher / author gives permission to make fan fiction public. And without permission, it's just as illegal as publishing someone else's manuscript.
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Post # 7, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:16 pm
I don't think you can say that across the board. And since I don't know what fanfiction it's about, I'll put it that way.
Just printing a batch of fanfiction books in such an unauthorized way is not allowed to be sold at first, should be clear.
If nobody has the copyright for the original anymore, e.g. Grimm's fairy tales, it should already be allowed.

Normally, however, as mentioned, you will need permission from the copyright owner.
How likely it is to get it now depends on what kind of fanfiction it is.

You probably won't get any for books like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and the like.
At most for things where, as already mentioned in connection with films and series, commissioned work is given out. e.g. Hanni and Nanni or Indiana Jones.
Or when a publisher, like "Gone with the Wind", organizes a competition for a sequel. You have to win it then.

Then with Mangas and Animee I really cannot assess whether and if how easily you get permission from whom.

When it comes to fanfiction about video games, I can best imagine that the manufacturers are happy to give it an okay if they like it too, since it is advertising and something like that already exists.
Post # 8, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:23 pm
Well, seen that way, the Star Wars and Star Trek novels are nothing more than fan fiction. However, these works must be authorized and, if necessary, follow a specific canon. I cannot imagine that as a previously unpublished author you have a chance of authorizing your own work, but I don't know enough about it either.
I know that an author from the "Pirates of the Caribbean" -andom once asked whether Disney might be thinking of continuing or expanding the series in the form of a novel. That has already happened in part, e.g. there is a series of children's books about little Jack Sparrow. Such series are more likely to be commissioned work than authorized fan fiction.

Overall, fanfiction is probably not a medium with which you can make money. Somehow that is beyond the point of the matter ...
Post # 9, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:28 pm
LadyOfTheSilent
Well, seen that way, the Star Wars and Star Trek novels are nothing more than fan fiction. However, these works must be authorized and, if necessary, follow a certain canon. I cannot imagine that as a previously unpublished author you have a chance of authorizing your own work, but I don't know enough about it either.
I know that an author from the "Pirates of the Caribbean" -andom once asked whether Disney might be thinking of continuing or expanding the series in the form of a novel. That has already happened to some extent, e.g. there is a series of children's books about little Jack Sparrow. Such series are more likely to be commissioned work than authorized fan fiction.

Overall, fanfiction is probably not a medium with which you can make money. Somehow that is beyond the point of the matter ...


The Star Trek novels are out of the canon as far as I know.
Star Wars novels would actually have to stick to an inflated, chaotic, pointless canon.
But in any case you need the license and you don't get it.
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Post # 10, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:51 pm
There are still the series for "The Black Eye", which is basically also the FF for a game that was published by Droemer / knaur, Bastei Lübbe, Heyne.
I don't know what it currently looks like, but a few years ago you could still submit manuscripts. How much money you can get in with it is a question ... ;-)

Continuous series such as John Sinclair are written by constantly changing pools of authors (pools?) Which, depending on the series, can now - supposedly - be quite easy to get into.
The disadvantage is that there is not even the name of the author on it, so the bibliography is of no advantage and the fee should remain very manageable, the things hardly cost anything and are only available for a short time.
Post # 11, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:56 pm
A fanfiction-like section are the "dime novels", mostly romance novels that are published in booklet form. I know of at least two authors who write Snape / Hermione fanfiction (HP) and romances on the side. If you like the typical FF romances style, you may find fun writing such booklets. However, there are pretty strict guidelines in this area with regard to style and content elements, which can be requested from the respective publisher (BASTEI above all). But you certainly can't get rich with this either ...
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Post # 12, written on August 16, 2010 | 2:59 pm
LadyOfTheSilent
A fanfiction-like section are the "dime novels", mostly romance novels, which are published in booklet form. I know of at least two authors who write Snape / Hermione fanfiction (HP) and romances on the side. If you like the typical FF romances style, you may find fun writing such booklets. However, there are pretty strict guidelines in terms of style and content that can be requested from the respective publisher (BASTEI v.a.). But you certainly can't get rich with this either ...


The paring and / or the names will probably be changed when publishing, right?
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Post # 13, written on August 16, 2010 | 3:10 p.m.
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LadyOfTheSilent
A fanfiction-like section are the "dime novels", mostly romance novels that are published in booklet form. I know of at least two authors who write Snape / Hermione fanfiction (HP) and romances on the side. If you like the typical FF romances style, you may find fun writing such booklets. However, there are pretty strict guidelines in this area with regard to style and content elements, which can be requested from the respective publisher (BASTEI above all). But you certainly can't get rich with this either ...


The paring and / or the names will probably be changed when publishing, right?


No, she thinks that these authors write Potter-FF here and normal romance novels for the magazine publisher (although heftverlag is not entirely correct, these days these are mostly in-between ... magazine-like books.
Yes, there are quite a few; with doctors, highlanders, police officers, who have a holiday setting, ...

Individual MS are seldom sold, you usually have a fixed contract and have to deliver regularly, very often according to the publisher's plot specifications. In that case, you really don't earn too badly with it. I know a few novelists who finance their life as a writer through the notebooks. Hardly anyone can make a living from writing novels, but if you diligently write notebooks, things can look different.
Post # 14, written on August 16, 2010 | 3:12 pm
Yeah yeah These are not the same stories either, but in terms of content (I don't think) there is much. Most of the romances in the category "successful Het-Fanfiction" are a bit reminiscent of dime books. I don't mean that in a negative way, it's pretty successful on this side. I don't want to name any names now, but one of the authors even refers to her work as a booklet author in her profile.

I find that kind of funny and have already thought about doing something like that (of course not under my real name * gg *), but if you read through the guidelines for these booklets, it is quite exhausting and not at all like that undemanding activity.
Post # 15, written on August 16, 2010 | 3:14 pm
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I think it was so common that they write Snape Hermione FFs on the internetand Dime novels.
edit. yes it was also said now

Although I find the idea of ​​dime novels HP pairings funny.
I think I'd pull in stuff like that from time to time.
Article # 16, written on August 16, 2010 | 5:55 pm
As for Star Trek: As far as I know, only very specific, selected authors are allowed to write. Star Trek is a case in itself anyway. It is well known that FF writers Gene Roddenberry were allowed to give their stories back then and he then took them for ST episodes. He was the big exception.

An FF writer was allowed to publish a book for "Beauty and the Beast" (TV series), with the permission of the rights holder, of course. And besides her and maybe someone else I don't know anyone who has ever received permission to publish an FF as a book.
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Post # 17, written on August 23, 2010 | 12:34 pm
Oweh, oweh, way too many posts. : D

Thank you in any case for your help! ^^ I don't want to earn any money with it, but
someone I know (sounds like an excuse, right? Oo is really like that) claims he had earned money with it ... And I just wanted to investigate. :)

Thank you for that! ^^

* put cookies down *
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Post # 18, written on August 23, 2010 | 6:59 pm
It could well be that there was someone who earned money. But then it wasn't really legal. 😉

(When I see what some people sometimes sell on ebay and pass off as "hers" ... 😒)
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Post # 19, written on August 23, 2010 | 9:01 pm
Oh. I once showed my FF to the footballer that it was about. Since it wasn't a botch, I wasn't embarrassed and he somehow knows me. He also found it very funny: D
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Post # 20, written on 08/24/2010 | 3:25 pm
I think that someone you know is a huge talker.
Who should have given him (her?) Money for a fanfiction?
And why?
Even if you as an author have something to do with writing your own works, the likelihood that someone will buy your stories and publish them is vanishingly small. It's a pretty tough place, just so much for that.
So I think it is far more likely than that someone did something illegal that it was simply cheese ...
Classic case of self-indulgence.
Post # 21, written on 08/24/2010 | 3:58 pm
A little anecdote about this:

Some time ago there was an ambitious young man who said his writing was so good that he could write Star Trek novels. He did this, had it self-published or similar, and was also listed on Amazon.

But then ... the Trekkies struck ...

On a famous Trekkie page, the first page of the novel was scanned and the RS errors were counted, which were around 20 - 30 (on one page !!!). Misspelled names of the protagonists were more the rule than the exception, it was all too obvious that the author inserted antagonists from _ all_ SF series, from Star Wars to Babylon 5 to Battlestar Galaktika, sometimes even under their real names of the other universes and built in.

After a (very) short review battle on Amazon, the author went down without a sound and was never seen again. Maybe he's on and off with the ~ 50 euros in profit, because actually some people bought his book just to make fun of it.

I don't know what happened to the young man (who was between 20 and 30, as far as I remember) and his downright Klingon will (This is my first book - it makes it better! 11). Maybe he was lynched by a bunch of Trekkies, maybe he was picked up by a couple of men with sunglasses on behalf of Paramount, maybe Patrick Steward visited him that night to get revenge for his alter ego shame ...

And the moral of the story: You shouldn't make money with someone else's property ...


As a small final remark: As far as I know, however, it is possible in Russia to earn money with FFs, at least I think that some authors allow this there or participate there with anthologies etc. and work together with the fan authors. It is clear that a minimum level is required here ...
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Post # 22, written on 08/24/2010 | 7:04 pm
There are some (mostly in America) who sell fanzines or simply "FFs" on ebay. So giving does something. 😉
And there are also some super writers among them.

Without the knowledge of the rights owner, I would not recommend doing something like this. 😄
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Post # 23, written on 08/24/2010 | 7:21 pm
Mercury
And the moral of the story: You shouldn't make money with someone else's property ...

I underline that very boldly and blow glitter dust on it so that everyone can see it. ;)

Mercury
As a small final remark: As far as I know, however, it is possible in Russia to earn money with FFs, at least I think that some authors allow or do this there.participate there with anthologies etc. and work together with the fan authors. It is clear that a minimum level is required here ...


It always depends on the country. In Japan these comics, what's their name * google *, these dōjinshi - drawn from books, films or comics - are also rarely licensed and in most cases represent a copyright infringement, but the manga companies tolerate them, bring them up the market because they are seen as an advertisement for the original. Many Japanese authors or draftsmen feel honored by unauthorized additions to their works, true to the motto: the more fan stuff there is on the market, the more popular one is. Other countries other manners. But please always inform yourself in advance before you click the handcuffs.

Fanzines: I own a lot. You always only paid the cost price. The publishers have earned nothing with their fanzines. It could of course be that there are black sheep there too. There are FF authors who have their stories printed and pass them on to interested parties at cost. It is not forbidden. However, you have to bill exactly. Even 1 cent profit per print, for example because you wanted to round off the price, is not legally allowed.

@ Mercury: Can you send me the title, author or a link to the controversial novel?

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Post # 24, written on 08/26/2010 | 6:32 pm
I don't even know what else to write.
Thank you in any case! ^^

* you fluff *
Fairy :)
Post # 25, written on 08/28/2010 | 10:33 pm
The fact that artists like to lean on the works of others is probably nothing new. For example, the opera La Traviata is based on the novel "Lady of the Camellias" by Dumas. And at school I have a book called "The New Sorrows of Young W." read. Negotiating copyrights with Dumas or Goethe would not be easy ;-)
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