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Hello,

A colleague from the workshop has a friend who has made an invention. But he doesn't really know how to do the construction, so my colleague suggested I could do this for him.
Since I've never done anything like this before - my question:
How much should or can I ask per hour.


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Hello stone,

This is an almost immoral question in Germany / Austria, and not very opportune on CAD.de either.

I will still try a (partly immoral) answer:
From 15.00 per hour if it lands directly in the wallet, around 30.00 to 40.00 if the Ministry of Finance has to be contacted, and up to 60.00 if very special know-how, special programs and a very high level of responsibility are involved.

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I would niiiiiiieeeeeeee think of something immoral like defrauding the state .
Of course I meant by the tax office.

No, kidding aside. We are three. Someone who knows the customer and had the idea and who takes over the sale, someone from the workshop who takes over the construction and takes care of the material and I, as the designer, take over the planning and the technology behind it.

The whole thing is only difficult because if the prototype works, 800 pieces will be built. When they have evaluated themselves in Austria, another 30,000 units will be built.
Only after the prototype has been made do I have nothing more to do with the matter. I.e. I basically invented the whole thing, but I don't see a cent afterwards. That's why I don't want to ask too little beforehand, but I can't ask too much either, because otherwise he'll go to someone else.

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Well, I've already thought of that.
Participation wouldn't be bad.
But how am I supposed to tell that? What if he wants to pocket everything himself? He could also build the prototype without a drawing and then simply have it recreated. Then I would be completely gone and - well, it's better to have a sparrow in hand than ... to know anyway.
Somehow I'm too cowardly.

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Hello Stin,

Just a tip from my experience: Do it at a reasonable cost, forget about participation.

I have already been constructively involved in a number of "inventions" and cannot remember ever having painfully mourned a loss of profit. The vast majority of "inventions" end up on the dump (if they even make it by then).

Participation would have to be stipulated and enforced in an emergency. The former costs a lot of money, for the latter it could easily be that you are "too little translated" (please do not be offended, but if it were actually about a lot of money, every friendship ceases and very ugly things come to light ... )

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Hello stone,

If your job only relates to the implementation with DIVA, then you have had bad luck after your work is done, but your know-how is in the invention, how about an "inventor remuneration", at least that's how it works with us.

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... just a tip from my experience: do it at a reasonable cost, forget about participation. ...

I can only agree with Leo: forget participation.

I have also been involved in several inventions. From my point of view, the invention means 10% of the effort (also financially) - 90% of the effort (also financially) is accounted for by sales. And that's where most of them fail. either they can't sell it, or they don't have enough funding to advertise it.
Forget patents too - it takes a very, very long time and not far too expensive. Furthermore, the patent office is a public register, since the whole kow-how will (must) be disclosed. So a real treasure trove for copiers. Then try to compete against a corporation as a small number without enough money ...

If you want to launch a new product today, you have to be able to invest enough money in advertising and marketing and get to market quickly.
By the time the copiers come and push the price, you must have made your money.

Again, forget about participation - do the construction as an order. They say: it's better to have a sparrow in hand than a pigeon on the roof.


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I've already told my work colleague that too. Once we're in the market, it's probably over.

The thing looks like we are sponsored by a company that receives 2 prototypes from us for testing.
Then we will build 800 pieces for this company. Since we are not on the market yet, no one else will build this product.

Assuming I ask for 15 EUR per hour and need 3 days, then I get 360 EUR (now only for example without taxes).
But if I don't ask for anything and then 1 EUR each, that would be 800 EUR.
Always assuming we or rather he sells something. After that I don't have high hopes for myself, because something like that will certainly be copied soon, but at least I would have more than an hour's wage business - or nothing at all. The risk with the first 800 pieces would be almost zero, since this is a pilot project and these will be built in any case.

Just had a call. The thing looks like this. We work out everything exactly. The sale will be around € 1500-2000 each. The one with the idea only wants to take over the sales of the first series himself because he knows the customers and can convey them, the rest is for us. That means the invention, the know-how and the plans remain in my hands and those of my colleagues. If we pull this up to some extent, then something really big can come of it. We can also sell ourselves, so that's not what I thought at the beginning, that I design once and use my knowledge and the other person benefits for a lifetime.
Sure, the whole thing will be recreated somewhere, but we were the first and therefore have the "original" - so we will certainly be able to build some more, even if cheap replicas are already available. Maybe not that many at once, but 1-2 per month - that would be a hit.

And best of all, we currently have a free hand - the customer pays the prototypes in full and at any price. Money doesn't matter, he supposedly said. - Well now we just need a little more luck.

Thanks for your advice, I'll work it out again and probably charge an hour's wages for this job. Then I can sell myself anyway and so I don't have to argue about anything.

Greetings,
stone

PS .: Wish us luck that it really comes in the way we want it to.

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Hello stone

Involvement at this stage of a new product is like a soap bubble - it looks beautiful until it bursts. And that it bursts is pretty sure from experience.

A construction order is a clear thing with a manageable risk.

From your stories the whole thing sounds a bit half-baked. For me someone is feeding you guys to get a construction and prototypes.

What happens when the prototypes are on the table ... ????

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For me someone is feeding you guys to get a construction and prototypes.

I have the same impression. Have you already applied for a patent? Do you have experience with patent applications? If this is really that lucrative and your invention is turning the world off its hinges, then you should definitely see a patent attorney before you even talk to others about it. The bear's fur cannot be sold until it is shot.


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Put the invention in the forum.

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Hello stone

I actually wanted to answer this morning, but I didn't want to step on Leo either.

I would roughly estimate how many hours you need to completely design, detail and create manufacturing drawings for the part. You put another 20% on this for the adjustments.
Then you take the last hourly rate from Leo, in my opinion it can be a little more, then round the whole thing up by at least 20% and don't forget to add the additional portion for the taxes and then you give this number as an offer .

PS: I think E / h 100 is appropriate, but then everything has to fit.

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Hello stone

I actually wanted to answer this morning, but I didn't want to step on Leo either.

I would roughly estimate how many hours you need to completely design, detail and create manufacturing drawings for the part. You put another 20% on this for the adjustments.
Then you take the last hourly rate from Leo, in my opinion it can be a little more, then round the whole thing up by at least 20% and don't forget to add the additional portion for the taxes and then you give this number as an offer .

PS: I think E / h 100 is appropriate, but then everything has to fit.



       


Hello Chris,

I'm emigrating to Switzerland. This beautiful country and then such hourly rates too

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Hmmmm, guys stay cool

We currently have around 35 ° C in the shade. Every movement makes me sweat on my forehead.

But back to the approaches:
This is about a one-time job without repetition. Once the files have been created, every trained painter can do something with the stuff.

What Stein has to build here, however, has very little to do with a normal "Tinteler job. He should also do the calculations and probably also bear part of the responsibility."

If his colleague then has to rework 30,000 pieces because of a design error, it won't be funny either. We have already read the statement from the "best colleague" above.